THE BEST & WORST
THE TOP 35 NICEST CELEBRITIES1- SAM WORTHINGTON (Avatar & Clash Of The Titans) Not only did I get several autographs from him the first time I saw him, he then proceeded to sign THIRTEEN items for me at once a couple days later. He didnt care if I was selling or keeping them. he joked around with the fans there, he took photos with, he simply is, the nicest guy there is.
2- TOM HARDY (Inception, Warrior ) The guy will talk to you for as long as he can. Havent heard of him denying anyone an autograph or a photo with. The guy is just too nice. Even with the same guys asking him week in & week out, he stopped, signed and chatted with them every time he saw them. 3 - JOSH DALLAS & GINNIFER GOODWIN (Once Upon A Time) Rarely do I see 1 without the other...thus why I put them in together. Individually, both are sure top 10s on my list. Each of them has been absolute 100% class & showed as much respect to us as I hope they feel we showed to them. 4- JACKSON RATHBONE (Twilight) I dont think there is any limit to the amount of things this guy would sign, and best part, he will talk to you about almost anything you want to talk about. 5- ROBIN WILLIAMS. (Mrs. Doubtfire/Good Morning Vietnam) Met Mr. Williams multiple times, every single time hes signed everything I had & makes sure everyone got what they came for. For such an inconic name, he doesnt need t play the good PR game, and I dont think its an act, he just sincerely enjoys making his fans happy. 6- SHARLTO COPLEY (The A-Team & District 9) Not only did Sharlto stop to take pics with a couple of us 1 day and crack a couple jokes/observations, he did it after packing 10-15 bags into a truck after a day of travelling.... But that pales in comparison to his efforts at an autograph session he did for a store he supports here. Despite being late for his event, he stayed the entire time expected...and then some. He willingly signed stacks of items without complaint, and did it with a smile on his face, and had something to say to each person..even if they didnt have anything to say to him. 7- MATT BARR. (Hellcats, Harper's Island & One Tree Hill). Super friendly, always says hello. Truly excited to be recognized. Always takes the time to acknowledge fans. Truly happy to be famous. Hes the type of star a show should want, because he isnt just a pretty face, hes terrific PR with the way he treates everyone as people, and not just eyeballs for the shows bottom line. 8- BOOBOO STEWART (Twilight series) Besides the hordes of free autograph signings & appearances he does around the continent, Booboo is also willing to just sit down & chat with almost anyone on almost anything. His father, an actor himself, has him very level headed about his fame. Hes such a good guy too that even though he is a world jr champion martial artist, he didnt even break out his beat down moves on a guy who attacked him at an autograph signing. 9- LEE ARENBERG (Once Upon A Time) Always has time for fans. Has gone as far as to invite anyone who was in the area to come & see him & some of his cast members at the bar over twitter. Best part, how down to earth he is, hes chatted with the regulars countless times, about almost everything. 10- JUSTIN LONG (Live Free Or Die Hard) At his premiere at TIFF 11, he told the crowd "I'll be back out in 5 minutes"..and he actually came out in less time..and interacted with the entire carpet. 11- PETER FACINELLI. (Twilight series/Nurse Jackie) After spending a better part of a year in Vancouver, getting hounded daily. Peter makes this least with ease...granted, I had him only on the honorable mentions list till recently. But after an incredible interaction with us, and the fans, after a several hour long endeavour at a Twicon, to be as classy & personable as he was, he deserves to make the list & make it high. Really considered pushing him up to 2nd. 12 - ROBERT CARLYLE (Once Upon A Time & Stargate Universe) With the exception of 1 of the locals that hes developed a disliking for [for good reason] Mr. Carlyle has always had all the time he can muster to sign & chat with fans & regulars alike. A great ambassador for every project hes been on. 13- ANNA TORV (Fringe) In her 3rd season here in Vancouver, Ms. Torv has been a willing signer each & every time shes been seen. Despite the fact shes signed for the same people 30Xs, she does it still without hesitation and often, with a smile. Regardless whether its after a 10 hr work day, or a 5 hr flight, she doesnt stop. Super classy each and every time. 14- CALLUM BLUE (Dead Like Me, Smallville) Met him multiple times in multiple cities, and each time he has been willing to sign everything asked of him & was willing to chat about anything that comes up. Best part, he seems to miss Dead Like Me as much as the fans do. 15- GEORGE CLOONEY (Oceans 11,12 & 13) Its almost impossible to have a best celebs list without George on it. In fact, only way I would guess someone doesnt have him on theirs is... they havent met him yet. 16- MICHAEL C. HALL (Dexter) 17- JENNIFER LOVE HEWITT (Ghost Whisperer & I Know What You Did Last Summer) 18- AMY ADAMS (Catch Me If You Can, Man Of Steel) 19- LOU DIAMOND PHILLIPS. (Stargate Universe) 20- CHRIS PRATT (Moneyball) 21- JULIA BENSON (Stargate Universe) 22- JARED GILMORE (Once Upon A Time) 23- ROBERT ENGLUND (A Nightmare On Elm Street) 24- STEPHEN COLBERT (The Colbert Report) 25- BRANDON T. JACKSON. (Tropic Thunder, Percy Jackson) 26- CONAN O'BRIEN (Late Night With Conan O'Brien, The Tonight Show) 27- MING NA (Stargate Universe) 28- BRYCE DALLAS HOWARD (Twilight Saga Eclipse) 29- TOM CRUISE (Top Gun, Jerry Maguire ) 30- JIM BEAVER (Supernatural) 31- DAVID BLUE (Stargate Universe) 32- EZRA MILLER (Royal Pains) 33- SETH GABEL (Fringe) 34- SARA CANNING (The Vampire Diaries) 35- JOEL KINNAMAN (The Killing) Honorable mention- Aaron Eckhart, Aldis Hodge, Alexandra Daddario, Amanda Tapping, Amber Heard, Amy Acker, Anna Faris, April Telek, Ashley Judd, Ben Cotton, Blair Brown, Brent Sexton, Billy Campbell, Brian Jacob Smith, Chloe Moretz, Chris Zylka, Christopher Heyerdahl, Colin Farrell, Corin Nemec, Cory Monteith, Craig Robinson, David Arquette, Davd Richmond-Peck, Dominic Monaghan, Eric Ladin, Elise Gatien, Ellen Degeneres, Elyse Levesque, Erica Durance, Fred Ewanuick, Freddie Rodriguez, Gabrielle Miller, Gil Birmingham, Guri Weinberg, Hayley Atwell, Hugh Jackman, Jackie Earle Haley, James Caan, Jamie Campbell Bower, Janet Wright, Jared Padalecki, Jasika Nicole, Jason Bateman, Jeff Bridges, Jeffrey Dean Morgan, Jennifer Morrison, Jensen Ackles, Jorge Garcia, Julia Jones, Kate Beckinsale, Laura Vandervoort, Leelee Sobieski, Linda Hamilton, Logan Huffman, Lorne Cardinal, Louis Ferreira, Lyndsy Fonseca, Mark Valley, Matt Prokop, Max Irons, Megan Fox, Mickey Rourke, Mike Myers, Misha Collins, Moon Bloodgood, Mpho Koaho, MyAnna Buring, Natasha Henstridge, Nathan Fillion, Nicolas Cage, Paddy Considine, Patrick Gilmore, Phoebe Tonkin, Portia DeRossi, Rachel McAdams, Rob Corddry, Robin Dunne, Rose McGowan, Ryan Robbins, Sally Richardson-Whitfield, Sarah Bolger, Sarah Gadon, Sarah Silverman, Shelley Hennig, Simon Pegg, Steph Song, Steven Seagal, Thomas Dekker, Tim Phillips, Willen Dafoe, Xavier Samuel, Zach Mills |
THE BOTTOM 35 LEAST FRIENDLY CELEBRITIES1- TOMMY LEE JONES. ( Men In Black & No Country For Old Men ). This one disappoints me, since I generally like his films. Multiple denials in 1 day, using excuses like "I have to go to work" (for interviews....even though he was 30 mins before the reporters). I got him many years ago, and he was whining about signing then as well...looking back on it, I am shocked he did it. |
TOP 10 NICEST MUSICIANS/GROUPS1- ANDREW WK- Might be the nicest celebrity, PERIOD. No disrespect to Mr. Rathbone, but Andrew has often gone beyond whats expected. My own experience with him alone makes him incredible. After his show he did an autograph session inside the show. Once finished, he then proceeded to invite myself & 2 others waiting outside, inside where he signed out items, adding incredibly detailed, personal & creative inscriptions one ach item & then did photos with. After that I heard & read so many more reports of how at major festivals, after his autograph time was done, he would set up an impromtu session at the side of the stage for people who were not able to get up to him before the time ended for his session
2- ROB THOMAS- Despite 1 time that he snubbed the dozen or so people waiting, he has always been great. That 1 snubbing was not his fault...and next time I saw him, he was back to the great & cool Rob Thomas I knew from previous encounters. 3- CHAD KROEGER- You dont have to like his music, but there are few celebs more cool & laid back than Chad Kroeger. besides being a great signer, a willing poser for photos, I also watched him attempt to break up a fight on the street 1 night, despite not having any vested interest in either party. What type of celeb does this? Very few. 4- BILLY JOEL- I saw the guy about 5 days straight, every single time, despite knowing he signed for us, he willingly signed again. 5- JAMES BROWN- Very friendly, very personable. Even despite feeling he had been ripped off by a major music supplier, something that would anger other entertainers to perhaps not sign, he not only signed the items, he went into his trunk & found another item to sign & give to me for making him aware of what was possibly happening. 6- THE 100 MONKEYS- Any band that Jackson Rathbone is in has to almost by default be on this list. But the rest of the band are terrific too. Their manager is great with the fans too. 7- PAUL BRANDT- Met several times, each time class. Including the time at a smaller venue that doesnt get too many notable acts, where the guards tried to force me to leave & when i told Paul about it, he apologized about it & asked if there was anything he could do. 8- PUFFY AMI YUMI- Despite a language barrier, this pair of Japanese pop stars signed everything my friends & I had, posed for photos with & even held up the signed items for us. 9- PETER BUCK- Have you ever had a musician in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame come up to your table while you were eating looking to sell you his bands CD? I have, that man R.E.M. guitarist Peter Buck. My friend & I were attempting to get Buck's other group, The Minus 5 in Seattle where they were playing at a restaraunt Buck owned. We asked if the CDs were for sale to a person working the door of the small music venue off to the side of the restaraunt, a few minutes later, Peter came to our table personally with the CDs in hand to sell us. Talk about service. 10- SAM BRADLEY- Most known to Twilight fans as writer of 1 of the songs off the first movies soundtrack, as well as a good friend of the star Robert Pattinson. Bradley has started to make a name for himself as well. He takes his new found celebrity in stride, to the point he willingly signed for me inside his show at the side of the stage, which snowballed into an impromptu autograph session, then after his show, he came out to the street to a crowd of 20-30 people & did an impromptu song on the street to entertain. Honourable mention - Bono, Leonard Cohen, Axl Rose, The Tragically Hip, Sam Roberts, Joe Satriani, Elton John, Sean Lennon, Paul McCartney, One More Girl, Mark McGrath, The Wilkinsons, The Ennis Sisters, Dave Grohl, Dave Matthews Band, Eddie Vedder, Billy Idol, Annie Lennox, Roger Waters, The Pierces, Steven Tyler, Coldplay (minus Guy Berryman) |
BOTTOM 10 MUSICIANS/GROUPS1- CHRISTINA AGUILERA- Wouldnt sign, had the van pull up so close to the door both times that you couldnt fit a hair thru, let alone a CD...let alone it was completely cut off from any fans being able to get near her. Sure enough, she put on a fake nice persona at an autograph session while here once, but before & after it, she was the diva bitch you excpect.
2- CRAIG NICHOLLS- The lead singer for a has been bunch band clearly was in a drug induced freak out at the time granted...but his game of "should I, no, ok, wait, no, yes I wi...no, wait, I wont" that he played was angering. He then proceeded to get in a shouting match with us 100 feet away in an alley way. 3- ADAM LAMBERT- Promised to sign for people at the front of an autogrpah meet & greet area after being whisked away by a peon who made him start at the back end first. Came back thru & didnt follow thru on his promise, even after being reminded he did nothing more than waved the back of his hand at us. He was also the first person of the tour to finish his autograph session...aka- he had LOTS of time to keep signing. Later on, with only 8 people waiting at the hotel, he ignored ALL requests, including a girl who was wearing 1 of his shirts. 4- MAC MILLER - For someone that no one over the age of 19 has heard of, he sure acts like he has 47 Grammys & a lifetime achievement award. This 1 hit wonder & his posse of leeches got into a verbal argument with several people at his hotel. Sad part is, every word they said, made them sound more sleazy. I'll give Mac 1 thing...he was at least the 1st 1 of his group to walk away. 5- ADELE - For someone who is really only famous because of 1 song (yes, I know 8 Grammys blah blah blah.) she sure carries an attitude that would make you think shes in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame with 47 Grammys. Showed up to a crowd of 4 people, only 2 even wanted to get an autograph & she speed walked in without even lifting up her head. After the show, she had her vehicle taken into an alley that NO ONE ever uses to sneak out, ignored the 3 people waiting there despite literally being 2 ft from them & left without so much as a single word said. 6- BLUR- Meeting them 10 yrs after their 15 minutes ended they were still full of themselves. You would think when you walk out to less than 8 people waiting, you would be humbled a bit. Not these guys. They just acted as if it was still 1995. 7- BRITNEY SPEARS- Two consecutive trips here, someone was assaulted by 1 of her goons. To date, I havent met a single person who has gotten her in Vancouver. 8- DERYCK WHIBLEY- Assaulting someone with a Whopper, let alone spitting on the same persons photo as his way of saying no, gets you on this list for sure. At an autograph session, he, along with his bandmates at his encouragement, signed 8x10 photos with fake names thinking it would ruin the collectors items. 9- NSYNC- Entire group, less than 8 foot walk over to the rail to a crowd of a couple dozen people. NOT ONE came over. Since then, 3 other encounters with 1 of the group members, Timberlake between myself & others have had just as successful of result. 10- (tie) CARLOS SANTANA- Said no. Said he didnt have to explain himself to me...then blamed not signing on me taking his picture AFTER his multiple denials. 10- (tie) JANET JACKSON- Her defensive line of guards stood infront of a store while she snuck out the back, to avoid 2 people. She even denied 2 people at the airport upon her arrival infront of cameras. She spent several weeks here practicing for a tour, never heard of her signing even once. Dishonourable mention- Bryan Adams, Oasis, Steve Jocz, Mike Dirnt, Jack White, Dixie Chicks, Prince, Sting, Maynard James Keenan, Ciara, Guy Berryman |
TOP 10 FAVORITE ATHLETES OF ALL TIME!1- ALEK STOJANOV- former NHL player. When he was with the Canucks recovering from an injury, he would occasionally invite the hounds out on the ice to play a bit of pass & keep away.
2- HAYLEY WICKENHEISER- Canadian female hockey player 3- DONOVAN BAILEY- former Canadian Sprinter 4- BRAD MAY- NHL player 5- IGOR LARIONOV- former NHL player 6- BRENDAN SHANAHAN- NHL player 7- KOBE BRYANT- NBA player 8- JENNA DANIELS- LPGA golfer (I hate golf btw) 9- USAIN BOLT- Jamaican sprinter 10- KEVIN HODSON- former NHL player HONORABLE MENTION- Jarome Iginla, Trevor Linden, Petr Nedved, Ron Delorme, Jeremy Roenick, Stan Smyl, Pavel Bure, Craig Conroy, Stacy Wilson, Cammi Granato, Jennifer Botterill, Shannon Szabados, Terhi Mertanen, Michael Clemons, Danny McManus, Morgan Pressel, Christina Kim, Andre Aggasi, Pete Sampras, Deion Sanders, Henrik & Daniel Sedin, Cliff Ronning, Jon Montgomery, Tessa Virtue, Scott Moir, Christine Sinclair |
TOP 10 MOST DETESTED ATHLETES1- MARKUS NASLUND ...not a joke. He wrote a formal complaint whining to the Canucks because I told him we didnt need him & I couldnt wait for him to leave. oh for the record, As it turns out... I was right. We dont need him.
2- TIGER WOODS 3- MICHELLE WIE 4- VINCE CARTER 5- BEN ROTHLISBERGER 6- SEAN AVERY 7- BARRY BONDS 8- ANSON CARTER 9- MARK MESSIER 10- MICHAEL PHELPS Dishonorable mention.. Annika Sorenstam, Mike Weir, Jamie Sale, Ray Emery, Alonzo Mourning, Donald Brashear, Brandon Dubinsky, Patrick Roy, Alex Radulov, Brad Marchand, Jimmy Mann, Joe Thornton, Steve Nash, Lebron James, Sam Cassell, Ricky Williams, Roger Clemons, Hope Solo |
TOP 20 ALL TIME TV SHOWS
1- DEAD LIKE ME- How it only got 2 seasons is one of TVs biggest mysteries. The head of MGM & Showtime should be fired... or reaped... as it turns out, granted a few yrs too late...the guy who canned it...got FIRED by them. Some justice was served I guess.
2- ROBSON ARMS- CTV cancelled this, brought it back, then cancelled it again after a 3rd season without thinking ahead....now Corner Gas, their flagship show is done, and they have NOTHING notable for Canadian content. 3- SUPERNATURAL- Probably my favorite sci-fi related show & my favorite currently produced Vancouver show (no offense to Fringe) 4- HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER- This show is Legen.....wait for it........... DARY! 5- DEXTER- First season was one of the greatest 1st seasons of any show ever. The season with John Lithgow as the Trinity Killer might be 1 of the greatest seasons of a show ever. Has managed to keep being creative so far. 6- FRINGE- I was lured into the watching the show by a friend, and was hooked after the 1st episode. Now that its in Vancouver, I am even more into it. Also makes me wonder, what my Alt-world version of me is like. 7- THE BIG BANG THEORY- Making socially challenged geniuses funny since 2007. 8- 21 JUMP STREET- A show that started Johnny Depps career probably should be on most favorite shows lists you would think. 9- HOUSE M.D.- I probably like it so much just because Hugh Lauries character he reminds me so much of myself. Only difference is, he has a medical degree to validate his ego. 10- BURN NOTICE - Imagine if MacGyver were on The A-Team. Now modernize it. Voila- Burn Notice. 11- LEVERAGE - Burn Notice or Leverage... it was a toss up which went in which spot. Much the same, despite being a bit different. 12 - CASTLE - Author/wannabe crime fighter Richard Castle might be my favorite egomaniac character ever. Mostly because, while he thinks hes hot stuff, he also shows concern & care for the people around him. Brilliantly balances that. 13- CORNER GAS- Probably the most successful Canadian comedy sitcom ever. Can you believe I woulda ranked it higher, but the series finale was IMO weak. 14- STARGATE UNIVERSE - The 3rd version of Stargate on TV is the only version I have ever watched for more than an episode...and frankly, its great. 15 - THE WALKING DEAD - Pretty certain if there is ever a zombie apocalypse, the fans of this show will be the ones who end up surviving the longest. 16- ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT - I never watched it till October 2011. I had heard lots about it, but never bothered...then I watched it, and finished the entire series off in 3 sittings. VERY addictive. Cant wait for the new episodes. 17 - COMMUNITY - The ragtag group of college peeps that are so co-dependant on each other that they decide which class to take together just so they can remain in a study group is brilliant. 18- REVENGE . I am sure many of us have felt the way the lead character has about a group of people at some point. Her well planned revenge on them has been exceptional so far. 19- PERSON OF INTEREST - A pair of vigilantes, 1 with massive financial resources & a machine that can see dangerous situations, and the other a trained assassin who goes around stopping the situations his partner tells him about. If only these guys existed in the real world. 20 (tie)- THE DAILY SHOW - Jon Stewarts observational comedy news program is still the crown jewel of the mock news programs IMO. Colbert might be a more entertaining person individually, but TDS use of secondary cast makes it a better all around program. 20 (tie)- THE COLBERT REPORT - The spin off of The Daily Show is as witty as its counter-part. Colbert might be the best individual talent in the shows. Only downfall comparatively is, Colbert doesnt have secondary cast to fall back on. HONORABLE MENTION- Breaking Bad, Game Of Thrones, The Secret Circle, Undergrads, Unforgettable, No Ordinary Family, Futurama, Hellcats, The Office, CSI, CSI Miami, Saved By The Bell, Late Night W/ Conan O'Brien, Conan, Family Guy. Family Ties, Criminal Minds, Married With Children, South Park, Trailer Park Boys, Danger Bay, 2 Broke Girls, Falling Skies |
TOP 15 MOVIES OF ALL TIME1- HAPPY GILMORE - I'm in it for 2/3 of a second. But even without that cinematic debut peroformance, I think it would still be on my top 10 list.
2- SCREAM - My favorite horror/comedy by far. Not a joke, I went to see it 50+ times in the theatre. Granted, 40+ of those was in a $1 theatre...but still, I enjoyed it that much. 3- THE DARK KNIGHT - Sure, 80% of the appeal of the movie is on the back of the amazing performance of Heath Ledger as The Joker. But I actually thought the rest of the cast did a decent job as well & there was enough action to warrant the approx 2 hr wait I had to get into the theatre at the midnight release. 4- THE WEDDING SINGER - Judging by this, you would assume Adam Sandler is my favorite actor of all time lol. But his 2nd entry in my top 10 is one of the best romantic comedies ever...and his song in the middle of it is utter GOLD. 5- IN BRUGES - Dark & sometimes warped comedy. Most amazing part is, its in my top 5 movies, and I ended up seeing it with no idea it existed at the time. Friend & I were at the theatre going "hmm, lets see a movie" & this was there & I suggested this on the basis that Colin Farrell was better than the random romCom actor that was the lead of the other movie suggested. BEST random decision I ever made. 6- CASABLANCA - About the only positive that I can find from my relationship with my last girlfriend is that she insisted I see this movie. Unquestionably the best movie made pre-1980s & the is the reason I have given several other older films a chance over the years. 7- LETHAL WEAPON - One of the best action/comedy series of all time started with this one. 8- MY COUSIN VINNY - You sort of have to be a soulless monster to not laugh at this movie. 9- GRINDHOUSE - A 2 movie horror fest that was with all due respect to my more favored movies, probably my favorite movie going experience still of all time. 10- BORAT- The stupidity of it is so over the top its unbelievable...yet still believable...if that makes any sense. 11- STAR WARS IV - A NEW HOPE - The original Star Wars. Do I really need to explain this more? 12- MAJOR LEAGUE - The 1st of the series of films. The Cleveland Indians owner dies, leaving his wife as owner, and she wants to make a team so bad the fans will stay away, giving her the out to move the team to sunny Florida, but of course, this group comes together & ruins her plan. 13 - FORREST GUMP - I know I dont need to explain this film to you, because you MUST have seen it by now. Classic. 14- THE WHOLE NINE YARDS - Funny movie about a dentist who has a price on his head from his wife, and the hitmen who were supposed to do the job, but cant after getting to know him. 15- CON AIR - A man who is being released from prison ends up on a flight full of dangerous criminals that end up taking the plane, and its up to him to save himself, his friend and all. 16 - V FOR VENDETTA - Somewhere, Guy Fawkes must be smiling when he sees what his face has generated, and not just from this movie, but movements that have rallied behind the anonymity of his mask. 17- SUNFLOWER HOUR - As of ths addition (Feb 2012) its only playing Film Fest circuits right now (for last several months). It is the most inappropriately brilliant & funny use of puppets & mockumentary film making I have seen. Brilliant. If it comes to your town & you arent afraid of suggestive material, you should see it, you will laugh, I assure you. 18 - DUMB & DUMBER - Best part of this movie is, we all watched it thinking "I know someone that stupid"...and if you didnt, well, I have some bad news for you. 19 - MACHETE - The fake trailers from the Grindhouse films have garnered 2 full feature length films so far, "Hobo With A Shotgun" and "Machete". If you liked Death Proof or Planet Terror from the Grindhouse film duo, you likely will love Machete too. 20 - KICK ASS - I get why some people hate it. Yes, it has vulgar language from a girl that most think isnt old enough to know what shes saying. It promotes vigilantism. But its just simply, an entertaining movie...and thats what I want from a movie. HONORABLE MENTION- Warrior, Sicko, 8 Mile, Ice Age, Groundhog Day, Shrek, Chronicles of Narnia The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe, Lion King, Walk All Over Me, Sharkwater, Save The Last Dance, Secretary, Little Miss Sunshine, Slumdog Millionaire, Hot Fuzz, Warrior, Memento, The Hangover, Tucker And Dale VS Evil, Pirates Of The Caribbean 1, 2, 3, Inglourious Basterds, Die Hard 1,2,3,4, Lethal Weapon 2, 3. Scream 2,3,4 |