The Best Comedy Program of 2011 as voted by you the fans was.. The Big Bang Theory.
With 1st & 3rd in the Best actress, and 2nd & 3rd in the Best actor categories for comedies, it comes as no surprise that The Big Bang Theory pulled out Best Comedy honours. The comedy about a group of nerds & the women in their lives has appealed on a massive scale. Whether its because of Sheldon's often too complex ideologies of simple things, Leonard's continual effort to bed a woman far out of his league, Raj's complete inability to even talk to the opposite sex, or Howard's complicated mother issues, the guys of the show always manage to garner laughs. But what has become far more prominent in the past year or so is the inclusion of the female cast into this. With Penny as the lead female, and the object of Leonard's desires, she was generally seen as the "only" main female character on the show, however, this past year or so has watched Bernadette & more recently Amy become just as important to the stories & laughs.
"The Big Bang Theory" opened a strong lead in voting & coasted to an easy victory with over a 200 vote cushion over another CBS sitcom, runner up "How I Met Your Mother". The 3rd place spot was a fight that bounced back & forth several times, but eventually the NBC hit "Community" narrowly edged out "Glee" for the honours, "Psych" rounded out the finalists in 5th..
This category was the only category The Big Bang Theory didnt win in the comedy genre.
Final vote results
The Big Bang Theory 810
How I Met Your Mother 584
The Best Actress in a Comedy of 2011 as voted by you the fans was.. Kaley Cuoco - The Big Bang Theory.
When I was looking at finalists for all the categories, I pretty much expected this outcome. The woman behind many nerds & geeks dream character Penny had the perfect storm of opinion poll potential for voting. Extremely attractive, funny character, on a vastly popular show, and of course, the fact her character has an on again/off again relationship with a self-proclaimed nerd were all the key ingredients to a probable win for this category...and she didnt let them down.
Kaley had a sizable lead on runner up Jane Lynch from "Glee". Lynch had a quick early lead, but failed to keep up the pace & eventually fell behind the eventual champ. 3rd was another "The Big Bang Theory" star, Mayim Bialik, who came close to catching Lynch in the final couple days. 4th was "30 Rock" star Tina Fey, 5th was the oldest finalist in ANY category, 90 year old Betty White from "Hot In Cleveland", Lea Michele from "Glee" came in 6th narrowly passing 7th place Alison Brie from "Community". Maggie Lawson of "Psych" came in 8th & Megan Mullally from "Children's Hospital" rounded out the finalists in 9th.
This category really showed the domination that The Big Bang Theory has in the comedy category. Finishing 1st in this category was not a shock, but a relative secondary character on the show managing to finish 3rd shows that fans of TBBT wildly love anything to do with their show. The ONLY thing that held back a sweep of the comedy categories for them was a well dressed womanizer in the actor category, or TBBT would have swept the genre.
Final vote results
Kaley Cuoco "The Big Bang Theory" 641
Jane Lynch "Glee" 416
Mayim Bialik "The Big Bang Theory" 396
Tina Fey "30 Rock" 358
Betty White "Hot In Cleveland" 317
Lea Michele "Glee" 273
Alison Brie "Community" 271
Maggie Lawson "Psych" 170
Megan Mullally "Children's Hospital" 127
The finalists for the TV programs in 5 categories have been decided.
Below is a break down of the voting in each category.
Photos of the final vote tallies are at the bottom.
Like last year, the 1st group I went thru had quite low totals. I gotta learn from this, have smaller categories 1st, THEN bigger categories like best shows.... anyways, the results/
BEST ANIMATED (bold = finalist) (vote total - red)
FAMILY GUY 35, FUTURAMA 14, THE SIMPSONS 14, SOUTH PARK 10, BEAVIS & BUTTHEAD 6, PHINEAS & FERB 1 (write in vote), AMERICAN DAD 0, THE CLEVELAND SHOW 0
THE BIG BANG THEORY 26, HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER 24, COMMUNITY 21, PARKS AND RECREATION 16, CHILDRENS HOSPITAL 14, 30 ROCK 12, ITS ALWAYS SUNNY IN PHILADELPHIA 12, PSYCH 12, GLEE 10, LOUIE 10, COUGAR TOWN 6, BEING ERICA 5, CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM 5, MODERN FAMILY 5, RULES OF ENGAGEMENT 1, HAPPY ENDINGS 1 (write in vote), UP ALL NIGHT 1 (write in vote), THE MIDDLE 0
DEXTER 20, CRIMINAL MINDS 17, HOUSE 17, BURN NOTICE 15, LEVERAGE 15, JUSTIFIED 13, GOSSIP GIRL 11, COVERT AFFAIRS 10, BREAKING BAD 9, CASTLE 9, HAWAII FIVE-O 8, BONES 7, FLASHPOINT 7, GREY'S ANATOMY 7, CSI 6, LAW & ORDER SVU 6, SONS OF ANARCHY 6, MAD MEN 6, THE MENTALIST 6, HEARTLAND 4, WHITE COLLAR 4, THE LISTENER 3, BLUE BLOODS 2, NIKITA 2, SUITS 2, BOARDWALK EMPIRE 1, BODY OF PROOF 1, IN PLAIN SIGHT 1, PRIVATE PRACTICE 1
SMALLVILLE 77, SUPERNATURAL 48, FRINGE 28, THE WALKING DEAD 17, SANCTUARY 13, THE VAMPIRE DIARIES 13, TRUE BLOOD 10, LOST GIRL 6, EUREKA 2, TODD AND THE BOOK OF PURE EVIL 1, WAREHOUSE 13 1, DOCTOR WHO (write in vote) 1, BEING HUMAN 0
BEST NEW SHOW
BREAKING IN 931, GAME OF THRONES 344, ONCE UPON A TIME 167, GRIMM 124, THE SECRET CIRCLE 117, PERSON OF INTEREST 106, REVENGE 86, UNFORGETTABLE 79, THE KILLING 77, ALPHAS 69, TERRA NOVA 67, HOMELAND 65, NEW GIRL 46, AMERICAN HORROR STORY 44, BREAKOUT KINGS 44 (write in votes), 2 BROKE GIRLS 40, A GIFTED MAN 35, HELL ON WHEELS 22, UP ALL NIGHT 22, PAN AM 20, NECESSARY ROUGHNESS 18, HARRY'S LAW 15, PRIME SUSPECT 14, WHITNEY 12, FALLING SKIES 10 (Write in votes), HAPPY ENDINGS 10, LUCK 9, CHARLIES ANGELS 6, RINGER 5 (write in votes), HART OF DIXIE 2 (write in votes), PLAYBOY CLUB 1 (write in vote), SUITS 1 (write in vote)
The finalists for actors, actresses and other categories will be coming soon.
The voting for the winners and finalists will start sometime in the 2nd week of November.
The majority of the cast from the USA hit show "Psych" went down to the 2011 San Diego Comic-Con this weekend.
In total, Dule Hill, Corbin Bersen, Maggie Lawson & James Roday went to the event that has become a major promotion tool for TV & movies alike.
We never saw any of the cast departing Vancouver, so there was lots of uncertainty and confusion on when they left and if they had already returned prior to the Sunday evening that most entertainers returned.
As it turns out...the cast had not returned yet. First up was Corbin Bernsen who was returning not from Comic-Con, even though her was there, but a Soapbox derby in Akron, OH that he attended after his SDCC visit. He was asked about his tough flight back, which he openly tweeted his displeasure about with United Airlines, going as far as to say he "Hate united airlines. Don't hate much in this world but they make hit list today.". He was just as vocal with us about his frustrating flight and joked about the social media alert by saying "I guess you saw my tweets". Eventually he would get on his way, and unlike most of the entertainers form this weekend, he didnt have a chauffered vehicle there to pick him up. Way to keep it real.
A little bit later, Maggie Lawson & James Roday showed up..with a little surprise in tow, recurring guest star Kurt Fuller. I really needed Roday, but I reallllllly needed Kurt Fuller, on an item I had from his days on Supernatural that I needed him to complete that I had been dragging around for over a year since a chance meeting with him when he said "oh yeah, I'll be back" about his role on Psych... a year later, yep, he was finally back (when I was aware of it).
After getting Fuller, I scooched over a few feet to where Lawson & Roday were signing for everyone else. Lawson was sociaable & seemed pleasant about it, while Roday signed, and signed afair bit, but was more of a "sigh, fine, lets get this over with quick" feel to the encounter. There wasnt a lot of interaction with them....but they signed, and in the end, thats all I can ask of them really.
Unfortunately, going for Fuller cost me any reasonable chance to get any good photos of Lawson or Roday...soooo, all I have of them is some grainy/fuzzy shots that were hurried & not my best work.
Dule would return later, but it was too late for any of us to wait out, so Mr. Hill got in & out without being seen.
20- Getting Jerry Seinfeld two nights in a row
TV icon & comedian Jerry Seinfeld came to Vancouver for a couple shows this past summer on his current tour.
I have gotten Mr. Seinfeld before, and really, if it were not for hearing a few horror stories from around the continent, I likely wouldnt be including him in my top 20 for this past year.
Jerry had 2 shows here & it was night & day for how he acted after each show. Going in he told us "get me after the show". So we came back after the show & Mr. Seinfeld signed a moderate handful, but got far from everyone. Many went away empty handed as the funnyman signed for a handful before leaving. I managed 1 that night but was hoping for more. So I went back the 2nd night.
The encore night was much better, as Mr. Seinfeld stood outside for about 5 minutes signing, and everyone ran out of items. Another 3 for me the second evening took away the disappointment of the day prior.
It was after me reporting on getting him that I was made aware that several people had been shut out by him in other cities recently. He has apparently been elusive at venues where the option to get in unconfronted is an option. I heard from others at the city right after here, this was the case there as well.... which made me all the more thankful that he played a venue with only outside entrances.
With 2011 just around the corner, a new batch of bests should arise by the end of the year. With the likes of Mission Impossible 4, Twilight Breaking Dawn, Underworld 4 & Superman already slated for here, and the rumour that part of Die Hard 5 might come here, big names will certainly be in stock in Vancity in 2011. But, just like this past year many stars were here, its rarely the case of the big names that garner the best attention. The few times they do, they are worth noting though.
19- Benji & Joel Madden of Good Charlotte at the airport.
This past summer, the brother from Good Charlotte came to Vancouver for some hanging out time.
For a long time they were considered terrible signers, and we had not heard anything recent about them, so we prepared for the worst. My friend who got the tip of them coming in was hesitant to get too many things (which for him is rare), but I hastily raced to various used CD stores to get stuff for them.
Total, there was 5-6 hounds there all with CDs at the ready. All with blue sharpies, and proof cams at the ready. The old GC I had heard about would have snapped at such a scenario. I have heard on multiple occasions in multiple cities, the band arguing & even being physically aggressive towards hounds. So we were prepared for the worst.
Instead, we got a friendly, meek & personable Benji & Joel. They not only signed, they did multiples without complaint. A situation NONE of us expected, but were all happy to partake in.
18 - Getting 3X Olympic Gold Medal winner Hayley Wickenheiser at her tournament
Sure, I know, I got like a dozen Hayley's at the Olympics. So whats the deal with getting her 1 more time thats so special?
Well, first, theres the fact that it was after Olympic photos were out, thus giving us a good chance to get autographs from her on items from the 2010 games. The games that will, because of where they were, always be the most special to me. Second, it is 1 of my favorite athletes of all time, so I am always finding new things I want to get done.
But what topped that was how cool she was about it & how she essentially held up her speaking engagement to sign for the group of us. She had an autograph session in a hotel that was housing her & some of the teams playing in her tournament. It was open to the public, so a handful of us went. Hayley the day prior had told 2 of the hounds to "bring everything tomorrow" & they did. I only came with 5 items and soon felt grossly underprepared as I watched my friends roll about 20 & 50 items each on her.
Hayley did it all, said she didnt care what they were doing with it & even suggested she hoped they got good $ for it, and chatted at length with us in between piles. She took photos with my friends & their kids with her Gold medal.
At the end, my friends both gave her collections, 1 in CD form, and 1 in actual print form of many of her greatest moments. She had apparently told them the day before that she had not seen much or any of the items they had... so they both did different things to show their appreciation to her. As you can imagine, she was thoroughly impressed & thankful.
I dont know how many sports you can find where the undisputed best player of all time in that sport would sit down & sign 50 items for someone, without complaining and expecting nothing back.
17- Vancouver actors going to & coming back from Comic-Con
Every year a variety of Vancouver based shows send a few of their cast to San Diego for the annual Comic-Con event.
This gives Vancouver autographers a good chance to clean up on some of the more elusive of casts. Shows like Smallville, Stargate Universe & Sanctuary, who primarily shoot in studios are easier to find when there is only 1 flight in & out of town (granted some did take connecting flights thru other places.)
A literal plethora of action happened going in & coming out. From Smallville, we got the likes of Erica Durance, Cassidy Freeman, Justin Hartley, and Tower Prep/Smallville cutie Elise Gatien. From Fringe we got Anna Torv, Blair Brown, Lance Reddick & Jasika Nicole (also saw Josh Jackson & John Noble, but neither were too receptive on departures). Supernatural stars Jensen Ackles & Jared Padalecki were terrific on departures, as was Sanctuary star Amanda Tapping returning. We also saw a few others from shows I was not prepared for like Eureka & Psych.
There was plenty to get, and often, you would miss 1 person getting another as they would come & go in groups. But in the end, it was still worth the effort, as there are no less than 5 people from that weekend that I got that I have not been able to get since.
16- Getting Lady Gaga after a show
Lady Gaga did 2 shows in Vancouver this past summer. The first night, she signed for everyone outside after the show.
I am not going to sit here & tell you I was "really excited" or "thrilled" to get her, or even that she was coming. Personally, I think shes grossly overhyped. That being said, I really had to respect the P.R. job she did after her first show here. She signed, signed some more & didnt care what the item was or who was handing it to her.
With the venues security actually trying to prevent me from getting an autograph, she reached for my item with a seeming purpose as to say "I dont care. Just hand it to me". She signed without hesitation for several minutes, and didnt shy away from the flashes of cameras.
Although she was less willing to sign the 2nd day, the 2 time Grammy Award winning artist was still a willing signer the day after her show & the night of the 1st show. For someone of her status, at the peak of her career, to sign 2 out of 3 days is pretty decent.
With 2 autographs on the trip, I consider her trip to Vancouver a success.
15- Getting Tom Welling... TWICE
In the 10th season of Smallville I have gotten Tom Welling to sign TWICE. In the 9 seasons prior- ZERO.
Long regarded as the worst signer in Vancouver, Welling this season has quite literally gone into a signing frenzy.... if you count about 8-10 autographs this season a frenzy. Prior to this season I only knew 2 people who had got the current Clark Kent in this town. Suddenly, this year I know of 4 people who have gotten him now... funny enough, each of us have got him on multiple occasions.
My first epic shocking moment came back in late July, only a week earlier Mr. Welling had outright denied me... as he had many times prior over the years. So I was not expecting a change in results...but this time, there was a good luck charm in tow I didnt know about. See, Tom was coming back from a trip to L.A. with Matt Barr, a cast member from the TV show Hellcats that Tom produces. Matt as I will tell you later, is quite chummy with us. So when I saw him with Tom, I was hopeful that maybe Matt's persona would rub off on Tom.
I broke the ice with "will you sign TONIGHT Tom" *emphasising the tonight to remind him that just a week earlier he turned me down standing in practically the same spot* with a somewhat unimpressed roll of the eyes, he reached over, grabbed the pen & signed. I was in shock for a minute or two. I walked over and snapped a quick photo of Matt & Tom going their seperate ways, then joked with Matt as he left that he was my good luck charm. I got him on a magazine that i had, no joke, carried with me on & off for TEN YEARS.
Proof Matt is my good luck charm would come a bit later in the summer/fall when at an event for the Smallville's 200th episode party, Matt was in attendance and wouldnt you know it, Tom signed for everyone that waited it out that night...all 4 of us. It was without a doubt, the largest "autograph session" Tom has done for any experienced autograph hounds in Vancouver ever.
14- Jensen Ackles, almost any given weekend.
When the biggest star of a hit TV show comes thru an airport, they expect some level of notoriety. Some handle it poorly, some handle it well.
Jensen Ackles, for the mostpart, handles it quite well. The man who plays the sharp tongued Dean Winchester on Supernatural has been quite good about the growing attention this past couple years. For the first 4-5 yrs here, him & his castmates came thru Vancouver with little to no attention on them most days. now, any given weekend, odds are, there will be at least 1 person out there waiting for them.
To top it off, the recently crowned "Best Lead actor in a drama" on the highly popular SpoilerTV polls is not just willing with signatures & photos with, but he is quite willing to give an opinion on most anything if asked. In fact, I have on multiple occasions have opted not to post things hes said, because I didnt know if its something that might come back to bite him in the ass later if the wrong people in the wrong position were to read it.
It was the attitudes of Ackles & his co-star Jared Padalecki that have made me a fan of the show. I started watching it because of them, and found it to be one of the best shows on....but I never would have given it a chance, if it werent for their off screen actions.
13- Steven Segal signing day after day
A lot of actors who are iconic names tend to be grumpy as their star fades. Steven Segal is not one of those people.
The action icon has been in Vancouver for awhile doing a show/series of movies. In the early days of shooting, he was staying at a local hotel, and would be seen at least once or twice a day on average. Every time, he would willingly sign for whoever asked. Even those who he knew he had already signed for.
Since moving to a permanant residence, he has not been seen around much, but for his efforts in the early days of shooting here, Segal earns a spot on the list.
12- The cast of Hellcats around town.
Sure, Ashley Tisdale is a bit unfriendly at times, but she does show flashes of niceness. Her aside, the cast of the new CW show Hellcats is pretty great.
Aly Michalka (along with her now guest starring sister AJ) is the real star of the show, and her off screen personality is absolutely spectacular. With the exception of 1 evening recently, she always seems up to the task of signing, chatting or taking photos with whoever is asking, regardless how many times she knows shes seen them.
Matt Barr has been elusive in the past few months, but when he is seen around, he is a willing signer & chatter. Barr is one of the few stars who if he sees a hound or pap will make the effort to give a head nod or a hello before you see him. He also holds the distinction of being at the same place on BOTH occasions where I got Tom Welling this past year.... so hes also a good luck charm it would seem.
Heather Hemmens is quite pleasant. Says alot about her acting that she can pull of the ruthless Alice character after you meet her. Sweet & friendly, Hemmens has been known to be so nice that she was still signing for me, while a driver (not even HER personal driver, but a hired one by Ms. Tisdale) was grabbing at her arm trying to make her go.
Robbie Jones seems to always be all smiles. Recently upon returning from California, he was spotted by a larger than usual group & willingly signed for everyone & joked about how cold it was here & that he wasnt used to the weather.
As a unit, this cast has been great. The few minor souring experiences with Ashley are more than made up for by Michalka, Barr, Hemmens & Jones.
11- Getting Misha Collins on the set of Supernatural
There is an unwritten, enforced rule on the set of Supernatural. Dont ask people for autographs there.
While this rule is predominantly enforced on the regulars for the shows two top stars Jared Padalecki & Jensen Ackles, its implied on everyone with the rest of the cast as well.
So I was more than excited when I had the lucky break of being able to get Misha Collins, who plays the angel Castiel on the show, on set, in wardrobe. It was my first time meeting Collins with items to get signed. I had met the man 1 time prior, the season before, but was not yet aware of who he was, since I hadnt got to that point in the show yet.
Another hound broke the ice, by encroaching into the area where Misha was, and with approval from Mr. Collins, we were allowed to wait for him as he came out of a tent to sign for us. After he signed, he chatted for a bit, and took a photo with me, in his Castiel wardrobe, then went back to the set.
A couple of unamused glares from the security on the set mostly rolled off me as I was sincerely excited to get the 1 main cast member from the show that had eluded me to that point.
Since then I have gotten him a couple more times, but that first meeting with him was the most memorable for the situation & how he dealt with it.
With me out of town for much of September, making it tough to promote the polls much, numbers were down noticeably this month.
That aside, this month brought the closest margain of victory in the current show scores yet, it also brought the largest magain of victory in the former shows poll.
So lets start there....
GOLD - DEAD LIKE ME 20.0 %
SILVER - 21 JUMP STREET 10.7 %
BRONZE - (tie) SLIDERS & DANGER BAY 8.0%
The X-Files 6.7%
Robson Arms 6.7%
Stargate SG1 5.3%
Battlestar Galactica 5.3%
Dark Angel 4%
The Outer Limits 4%
DaVincis Inquest 2.7%
Neon Rider 2.7%
Stargate Atlantis 1.3%
Breaker High, Intelligence, The Twilight Zone, The Sentinel, The Collector, The L Word 0%
The L Word, Breaker High, Intelligence, The Sentinel & The Collector are all on the chopping block this month....if you like these shows, you better vote for them this month & show it.
For the current shows... its been all Supernatural so far...but Fringe is showing signs of life, cutting the gap this month to a single digit percentage & vote total deficit.
GOLD - SUPERNATURAL 30.9%
SILVER - FRINGE 22.2%
BRONZE - PSYCH 8.6%
Stargate Universe 3.7
V The Visitors 3.7%
Life Unexpected 3.7%
Human Target 0%
To show you how special some people are...I received 1 write in vote for TWILIGHT!!!???? I dont know of a TELEVISION show anywhere called "Twilight" that is currently being produced...and certainly not one in Vancouver.... This does make me wonder if I need a Vancouver shot movies poll though.
In 3 months now, Supernatural has dominated the current show category, finishing first all 3 times. Fringe has dominated the 2nd place podium just as much, claiming the runner ups title all 3 times as well. Third place started with Sanctuary in the first poll, them had Smallville & Psych tie last month. This month, Psych finished 3rd all by themselves, but by only 1 vote over newcomer Hellcats.
In 3 months now, Dead Like Me has shown to be the top show amongst those no longer running. Winning the title the last two months & finishing in a tie for 3rd the first time. While The X-Files started big, winning the inagural poll, they have slipped in the past two months. To 2nd last month & all the way to 5th this month. Stargate SG1 had 2nd the first month, but hasnt been able to find the podium again since. Dark Angel earned the bronze the first two times, but slipped substantially this month. 21 Jump Street snuck in for a silver this month after continually being "close", while Sliders takes a suprirising bronze after 2 months of being in the middle-top part of the pack, but as amazing as their claim of a bronze is, they split it with even more shockingly Danger Bay, who never did better than 12th prior to this month.
Biggest climbers this month were
Former shows- Danger Bay 6.5%+ from 14th ranked to 3rd ranked.
Current shows - Hiccups 4.1%+ from 11th ranked to 5th ranked
Former shows - The X-Files 7.2%- from 2nd ranked to 5th ranked
Current shows - Human Target 2.3%- from 10th ranked to 12th ranked
So in July, Supernatural won the inagural current show title, while The X-Files took home the inagural former show title. Were they able to hold on this month? Or would new champs be crowned?
Lets first take a look at the former show category.
In this category, we have a new champion...much to my liking.
BRONZE MEDAL - Dark Angel 10.8%
SILVER MEDAL - The X-Files 13.9%
GOLD MEDAL - DEAD LIKE ME 17.0%
The entire list of shows beside the top 3, in order
Battlestar Galactica 8.2
21 Jump Street 7.7
Stargate SG1 6.7
Twilight Zone 4.1
Stargate Atlantis 3.1
Outer Limits 2.1
DaVincis Inquest 2.1
Danger Bay 1.5
Robson Arms 1.5
The L Word 1.5
OTHERS- The Sentinel & The Collector 1 vote each
For the current show.... Supernatural managed to keep its title. In fact, they won by a larger margain than the month prior.
BRONZE (tie)- Smallville & Psych 7.2% (by one vote)
SILVER- Fringe 16.6%
GOLD- SUPERNATURAL 51.7%
The entire list of shows besides the top 3 include.
Stargate SGU 3
Life Unexpected 3
Human Target 2.3
Now I am a little shocked I must saw that SPN is running away with this so handily. I really like the show, and I understand I have a lot of Supernatural fans that come by here. But I also thought I had a lot of Fringe fans as well, I really expected more of a fight from them. I am also a bit shocked, granted they arent my main fanbase, that Smallville and SGU dont get more attention than they have so far.
There was a slight drop is participation this month from last on both polls. But still over 450 total votes cast between the two polls. Only a drop of 11.4% between the two polls...the former show poll having a more substantial drop.
Big climbers this month were.
Former shows- Highlander 3.3%+ from 15th rank to 9th rank
Current shows- Life Unexpected 2.7%+ from 11th rank to 6th rank.
big droppers this month were.
Former shows- Stargate SG1 9.2%- from 2nd rank to 6th rank
Current shows- Sanctuary 6.5%- from 3rd rank to 9th rank.
The September poll is up, as Supernatural looks to try & 3-peat. While Dead Like Me & The X-Files will undobtedly battle it out for 1st on the former shows list again.
I occasionally argue with inanimate objects, but I usually win. So its all good.